141: Could Parasites Be Making You Sick?
Transcript of Episode 141: Could Parasites Be Making You Sick?
With Dr. Daniel Pompa
Meredith: Hello, everyone. Welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra, and this is Episode 141. We’ve got our resident Cellular Healing specialist, Dr. Daniel Pompa, on the line of course, and today we welcome very special guest, Dr. Todd Watts, who is a specialist in not only—a lot of things within functional medicine but specifically parasites. That’s the topic of today’s show. I know I’m really excited about it. I know, Dr. Pompa, you are too. This is a subject that we haven’t delved too deeply into on Cellular Healing TV, so we’re going to really dig deep into the topic of parasites and how they affect so many of us. It’s just going to be a really awesome learning opportunity today with Dr. Watts, who is such a wealth of knowledge on this subject. Before we get started, yeah, let me tell you a little bit more about Dr. Watts. Dr. Todd Watts is a national board certified Chiropractic Physician, speaker, and expert in parasitology. He graduated with his doctorate of chiropractic from Cleveland Chiropractic College in Overland Park, Kansas. Along with his functional—excuse me. Along with his chiropractic training and Clinical Kinesiology, Dr. Watts has extensive training in functional medicine, cellular detox in nutrition and biochemistry. Dr. Watts’ purpose and mission has been driven to help others rid themselves of chronic infections and restore optimal cellular health and vitality. His own story has been his fight in overcoming chronic Lyme disease, Epstein-Barr virus, and parasitic infections. Dr. Watts is currently innovating and formulating new products for parasites, mucoid plaque, and Lyme disease. Welcome, Dr. Watts, to the show, so excited to have you on Cellular Healing TV. Dr. Watts: Thank you. Good to be here. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. The benefit of a group of us doing Cellular Healing around the country is we have so many different experts like yourself in so many different areas. When it comes to parasites, hey, you’re the go-to in the group, man. Look. You have a microscope behind you. That fits right to the topic. Did you just put that there? No. I’m kidding. I could tell it’s a… Meredith: Staged. Dr. Pompa: That’s what we’re looking for, parasite. No. This is a topic we’ve got a lot of questions on, I mean, honestly. We love to bring guests on who would be experts in those particular areas to answer the questions. I know Meredith has a lot of great questions. She read me them. I’m like those are the questions I had, so I won’t steal too much of her questions. I promise. She doesn’t steal mine, and here’s the one I love to ask the most. I mean, Todd, how’d you get into this? I mean, it’s easy to see how I got into heavy metals and the cellular healing, but how did you get into parasites? I mean, who wants to get into these things? Dr. Watts: That’s a good question because I didn’t know anything about them before, and I didn’t know I had them either. The way I got into it was, as I was going back to school and getting my doctorate, I had a lot of health problems. I was at a conference, and this guy presented about Lyme disease. At that conference, all the symptoms he was talking about, especially with some of the co-infections, man, I had every one of those, especially Babesia. Afterwards, we talked, and then eventually I went through protocols with him on getting treated for those. My health improved to a point, but it stagnated. That’s when I was introduced to a friend of mine, Dr. Matt Buckley, that told me about parasites. He had studied Dr. Klinghardt’s protocols, and he had a lot of knowledge about it. As we went through, I found out I had the parasites, and have gone through different multiple cleansing processes on getting rid of them. My health totally turned around. The final component to that was the cellular healing stuff. That really helped me bring it all together, so treating the infections, treating the Epstein-Barr virus, treating the parasites made the big difference, especially with my food sensitivities. My food sensitivities, they—dairy, I had severe headaches when I had dairy exposure, any little bit. My gluten sensitivities, my brain would’ve been shut down. If I had gluten, within 30 minutes I was tired, and I wanted to rest and sleep. By getting rid of the parasites and cleaning up the gut, man, no more headaches with the exposure to dairy. My gluten sensitivities aren’t near as bad. Not that I try and test it very often but definitely have reduced symptoms with those things. With that process, in treating my patients, I’ve gone through and seen migraines, chronic food sensitivities, multiple components of chronic back pain, shooting pain, wrist pain. I mean, there’s so many, the skin conditions, so many conditions that go along with intestinal parasites, or liver flukes, or protozoans, whatever it may be. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. I was just going to say that. I had parasites too. My heavy metals brought my immune system down to the point where, obviously, I was right for it. Just like so many of our clients. We think of parasites as just being in the gut. Typically, if you go to a hospital or a doctor, they’re going to just test in the gut, but you mentioned liver flukes. Of course we know that there’s lung flukes. You just sent us a great article talking about how parasites harbor Lyme disease, and it’s getting into the brain. Talk a little bit about that because a lot of people don’t understand that. They think of parasites just as a gastrointestinal issue, but it’s really not. It’s beyond that. Dr. Watts: Yeah. Parasites are systemic. An example of that is a common one called threadworm or Strongyloides, and it’s a small intestinal parasite. That small intestinal parasite has larvae that go into the lungs, but it seems like they also can spread out to the muscles and into the nervous system. In his article, he talked about the Borrelia being inside of the nematodes, which were injected by the ticks, and how it causes—and the study was all with multiple sclerosis patients that had passed on. It was really fascinating to see that, really, all these things exist inside there. That’s why, to me, when I’m doing a comprehensive protocol with patients, you have to address parasites because the Lyme won’t come out. Heavy metals will come out. Just like you said, fungus, mold, all that stuff is stored in them. Even in a treatment process, with that you have to consider other things for binders and things that you don’t react so bad. I’ve had people get full on head colds. I mean, all kinds of different symptoms based off of parasite cleansing. There’s a process that you have to go through and be cautious of, and really communicate well with patients in doing that. Dr. Pompa: Yeah, exactly. I want you to eventually give a typical protocol. Meredith, you have some great questions there, so fire some of those away. Meredith: Yeah. Just to back up a little bit too. I’m wondering how common parasites are. There’s a lot of talk of this, but I mean, how many—the average person, are they likely to have parasites? What do these symptoms look like that people should be looking for, and how common are they? Dr. Watts: There’s a lot of controversy on that, but a lot of statistics show that—they say up to 85 or 90% of people have parasites. It’s just part of how we exist and live, right? Meredith: Wow. That’s a lot. Dr. Watts: It’s in food. It’s in a lot of pork. It’s in even vegetables that aren’t cleaned well, water sources, lakes, rivers. Animals, I mean, all the animals have them, so you should be treating your animals as well. They’re easy to pick up. Just go into the grocery store, and probably, touching the cart, there’s one study I saw that showed that 85% of them had fecal matter on them. It’s made me paranoid in touching carts without washing or cleaning them off. Meredith: This is not just travelling to some exotic country and drinking the water, eating the food when you can have this exposure. This is our grocery stores. Dr. Watts: Yeah. This is anywhere. The thing is is we’re a globally traveled world now. It’s not United States is specific to themselves, like nothing crosses the borders. There are people crossing the borders every single day, and the food sources come from international sources. Apples could come from Chile, or your fish could come from China or Taiwan. I mean, the food is global now. All the sources are. You just have to look at the symptoms. What symptoms are there? Like you talked about, what are those? Migraines and headaches could easily be the case with that. I’ve had 100% resolution so far with things I’ve seen in regards to treating their gut and parasites with that. The other thing you have to look at is skin conditions. Eczema conditions is another particular type of intestinal parasite that could cause a lot of problems, and eventually create those skin conditions, psoriasis. You look at and consider chronic pain. I’ve had patients that have had MRI’s, all kinds of things done on their back. I’ve seen chiropractors, acupuncturists. I’ve seen orthopedic surgeons. They couldn’t figure out why they were having pain, and there was nothing that showed on X-ray or MRI. Then I treated them for parasites, and the chronic pain shooting down their legs went away. Meredith: Wow. Dr. Watts: It’s amazing what they pass out of them. You’re like no wonder why they have the pain. I had chronic wrist pain. In some of the studies I’ve seen, the chronic wrist pain was related back towards liver and liver flukes, which create chemicals that cause pain in joints and ligaments. Similar to Lyme disease that create the bacteria, a lot of times it’s the toxin that create and degenerate the tissues. Dr. Pompa: Right. Meredith: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Now, are some people more susceptible to parasites than others if you already have a weakened immune system or some other things like that? Dr. Watts: It’s a really good question. In Chinese medicine and some of the things I’ve seen, the yin versus yang person, so it could be a yang deficiency. You want to be sure that you’re eating more of that direction, a yang diet, or having some products that can support that. I use a formula from Byron White Formulas that is for yang deficiencies. Meredith: Yeah. More yang type foods, that would be more proteins, right, fats, things like that? Dr. Watts: Yeah, exactly. I think the people that struggle a little bit more with that are the ones that are more a vegan based because of the fact that they’re not getting the proteins. Any proteins that get in there, the parasites, they’re affecting the digestion. The digestion isn’t assimilating nutrients. They’re not getting their monoamines into their bloodstream and then being able to create the proteins, and enzymes, and neurotransmitters, and things that are needed for their health. The other thing is then, really, how do you flush blood sugar? If someone has a chronic anemia, or maybe chronic blood sugar issues, or cortisol issues, you got to consider that the parasites can create that problem. They’re reactive. They seem to be more active at night when you’re sleeping. It goes along with people that are waking up one to three or four in the morning. Because they have high amounts of what we call ammonia being released, it causes insomnia issues, and sleep issues, and difficulty falling back to sleep. Dr. Pompa: Hey, Todd. Go ahead. Dr. Watts: I use some binders to address that, to help out. There’s some great products I’ve used from Systemic Formulas and just some specific amino acids that will help with binding the ammonia and pulling it out. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. Yeah. BIND is one of them. Hey, I have to ask this, and this is my thing, maybe not yours. Yeah. I mean, I believe that 85% of the population has parasites, right? Just like there’s populations that 90% of the population has Lyme, but not all of them express symptoms or they’re sick. Dr. Watts: Correct. Dr. Pompa: We know. I mean, it’s like most people in certain areas of the world have parasites, but they’re not sick. What’s your feeling on that? I mean, obviously, someone can be in a symbiotic relationship, if you will. Someone could be, their immune system, keeping it so low that it doesn’t matter. Like Epstein-Barr, I mean, most people have it at a certain level. Man, it can make them very sick. I mean, even cause brain lesions, right, when it enters into the brain area. Dr. Watts: Sure. Dr. Pompa: The same can be said for parasites. Dr. Watts: Yeah. I believe so. The parasites can cause such a low chronic infection that it can suppress the immune system allowing things like Epstein-Barr, or Lyme, or other bacteria, or viruses to really take hold. Some of the kids I’ve dealt with and you see this with little kids a lot is the molluscum warts. It’s a virus, right? They have a difficult time getting rid of them. They’re supposed to resolve on their own. What I find is, if I take care of the parasites in the gut, then the immune system comes up, and they’re able to overcome it much quicker. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. My parasites, now, I had some Giardia. I had more of the microscopic guys, even Cryptosporidium, and it seemed like it just even kept coming back. I would knock it back. Just like my candida. It was like when I got my heavy metals down to some point, then I did a phase. I remember. It was like that was it. It knocked them out. I never had to deal with it again. Is it similar, I mean, to candida where that—you can have other things that you have to knock down even to help get the parasites completely out, or is that just common with those microscopic parasites? Dr. Watts: I think it’s common with the microscopic parasites, but there’s a few things that go in with that. One is it’s your immune system, right? You have to have your immune system up. If your immune system doesn’t come up because you have heavy metal toxicity and you have chronic active Epstein-Barr or other viruses, then it’s difficult to overcome even the other parts. Then the other thing to consider is that the smaller ones could be inside. Take tapeworms or some of the other nematodes, that they can be released, so they can hide away from getting knocked out of there. There’s multiple complexities with that like getting rid of Lyme, like you said. Yeah, same thing. Meredith: What are some of the most common parasites that you see? Dr. Watts: You don’t always see them. What you do is you see the symptoms resolve, right? Very common one is liver flukes. That’s why a lot of people aren’t able to digest fats, or maybe it’s a big cause possibly of gall bladders having to be removed, or your ability to function. Imagine your blood sugar. Another one is some of the nematodes or the roundworms in the intestinal system that create more of the skin conditions and also looking at food allergies as well as more asthmatic conditions. A lot of times their larvae go into the lungs. Pancreatic flukes can really create more of the diabetes type issues, so you want to get rid of that. You have to look at heavy metals and maybe the flukes that are in the pancreas. As far as seeing those protozoans, like the Giardia, the Cryptosporidium, Entamoeba histolytica—actually, that one’s common. Seeing those, you know when you have that problem. I mean, the Giardia, you know because you have diarrhea. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. I did. Dr. Watts: Every person doesn’t have that problem. They may have more constipation issues which go back to more of the roundworm, intestinal worms. Chronic constipation issues I see with a lot of women that had it since they were little girls, their whole lives, you get rid of those and you start taking care of that problem, all of a sudden the chronic constipation seems to go away. Meredith: Now, how are you testing for the parasites? Dr. Watts: It’s a great question because that’s such a difficult history to do, right? The thing is, on typical regular stool sample, testing is very difficult. There’s some other testing that checks on antibodies and other things. What I do is I actually have an assessment form that I’m able to go through and rate what the number is and from 0 to 10, not bad, 10 to 20. I see people upwards over 100, and they have severe infestation of parasites. On average, I see between 40 and 60. I use that assessment form to see typically what their symptoms are to show me what we need to address and what type they may be. I’m proficient in muscle testing, and I find that muscle testing seems to be the best way for me to assess it. Because I see patients do colonoscopies, endoscopies, stool samples, multiple stool samples and come back negative. I treat them, and there’s the proof right there, right? I see they come out big time. It’s a difficult thing to test for because they’re not wanting to come out. They’re in a great environment in your body. Part of the thing is you want to create a not so good environment in the body, and that’s where diet and nutrition, creating the right balance with maybe the pH in there can help. Meredith: How do you muscle test for a parasite? I’m just trying to understand that. Dr. Watts: It’s applied kinesiology system. It’s just an Autonomic Response Test to how it works, and that’s what I use. Dr. Klinghardt uses the same system. He teaches that, a medical doctor up in Seattle area. There’s many doctors, chiropractors, naturopaths, and some medical doctors that use that system to do that. There again, some people don’t have the knowledge of it, so they don’t even know to test for. There again, I always go back to symptoms. What are the symptoms? Do these match up with parasitic symptoms, and then the symptoms, which type would they match up with? Then you can go through a more systematic approach to doing it. You deal with what we call cestodes or tapeworms first, and then work your way down with trematodes or flukes and hookworms down to the intestinal roundworms, which are the nematodes. Then last but not least, the protozoans, which are the microscopic ones. That’s the order I go through because, otherwise, the protozoans can come back if they’re inside of the larger ones. I’ve seen amazing turnarounds. I had a gal that had chronic hives every day for a year. She’d seen all kinds of specialists up in Montana, and nobody could figure out why she was having it. I put her on a protocol. Within ten days, she passed a six foot tapeworm. It’s been over a year now since she’s had any hives at all. Meredith: Six foot tapeworm. Wow. Dr. Watts: Yeah. I’ve had a number of those with people. Dr. Pompa: Did she take pictures? Do you have any pictures? Pull up your phone, man. You probably have pictures. I bet you. People bring them in. I’m sure. Dr. Watts: Yeah. It’s amazing. Dr. Pompa: Some of my clients have sent pictures. They’re like is this normal? I’m like, yeah, that’s a parasite. Meredith: Wow. Wow. Are you testing most of your clients for parasites or all of them? Dr. Watts: Oh, yeah. Meredith: Yeah. Dr. Watts: I test all patients for parasites. Anybody with chronic disease, any issues, I test that. Because it’s hard to even get the thyroid back to work if you have a blood sugar issue, or chronic anemia, or iron issues, or you’re driving cortisol at night with maybe a high active thing or even insomnia. You can’t sleep. Why do you have that? You have to consider blood sugar, which then goes back to maybe parasites, and chronic stress. It’s amazing. I’ve seen people, even their physiology in their brain chemistry change to where they’ve had just major events, traumatic events in their lives, and so they were depressed. They had a negative outlook on life. As we cleared them out, getting rid of that bad chemistry opened up and cleared their mind to be more positive people, and have a completely different outlook in life. They were able to overcome the struggles that they had, and see things in a whole different way. It changes in multiple levels. Not just the chemistry level. Not just the digestive level. It also can change on the emotional level. Meredith: Wow. Dr. Pompa: I really want you to give people an idea of what a protocol looks like. Of course, you can’t—it’s different for everybody, obviously, and most are. We’re just giving an idea then. I know you’ve created your own product that we would love to carry there on Revelation Health where Meredith is. We have some of the VRM products I’m sure we carry and some others. I know we have some Byron White products, -inaudible-. We do carry those, some of those products. I know people are going to want to know. What does it look like? I have to say this. I mean, when you’re dealing with things like parasites—again, this is why we coach doctors around the country. I mean, someone like Todd, there’s complexities, especially when you chase out Lyme or heavy metals. You need a coach, but I want to do people right. At least give them an idea of what this looks like. Dr. Watts: My first thing I always do is I look at how their bowel is moving. Do they have diarrhea, or do they have constipation? If they have diarrhea, then I actually run—I’ll run some of the stool samples, or I’ll run some of the antibodies because more than likely they have a protozoan or something of that nature that’s causing that. I always start out with making sure the bowels are moving. If you’re constipated and you’re trying to do this and the bowels aren’t moving, it’s going to be a real bad problem. Just tell everybody straight up you’ve got to get the bowels moving first and foremost. Then you have to have a binder to go along with it. I use BIND quite a bit from Systemic Formulas. Sometimes I use the Detox 2 Formula from Byron White Formulas. Sometimes I use Takesumi Supreme from Supreme Nutrition. I use those lines, all three of those lines, quite a bit. What I see is—I use Systemic Formula’s VRM1, 2, 3 and 4. I’ll usually use the 1. I always start with 1, especially if they have any tapeworm issues. It’s really nice how they set them up because they go from large, to small, to the microscopic, to the cellular ones, and so you just have to learn their product line that way. Be careful and start out slow. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. Dr. Watts: The Bryon White formula that I use, the A-P product, is also anti-yeast or anti-fungal. The people can have a bad reaction with that if they’re not detoxing properly, and they’re not eliminating the stuff or having binders in there. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. Dr. Watts: Some of the patients, I started out just getting the detox pathways open like you taught me. It’s supporting the liver, kidney. Get that kidney really flowing well, getting the lymph moving, because the toxins are going to come from all over the body. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. Dr. Watts: Anyhow, with that, this is when I start people on one drop in water on the Byron White formulas. Then I work up to 20 drops a couple times a day, and everybody’s different. Some people, like myself right now, because I’ve done it, I’ve done ten different products over this last year. I actually can do two squirts of that. I can do about 40 drops at a time, but other patients would have severe reactions to that. I always tell people that you have to manage it. You have to communicate with the doctor. It’s going to make you really tired and fatigued, and you can have headaches. You can have migraines, multiple issues. You can break out with rashes. You start slow, and if you’re having those conditions, you may have to back off a little bit. Dr. Pompa: Absolutely. Yeah. Dr. Watts: Go back to some detoxification issues first and foremost. Dr. Pompa: I mean, it really is detox, right? I mean, we do a prep phase, and then you have to work slow and low. Work your way up. It’s simple as that. Yeah. Dr. Watts: Exactly. That’s so vital. I appreciate the knowledge I learned with you and your program on that part. It brought a whole new component to what I do in how I treat people. It makes total sense to me knowing and understanding biochemistry and how we give a cell. The other thing I use, Supreme Nutrition has a lot of individual products. Their product can be really beneficial because I’m using one product at a time. Not a mixture of herbs together. Some of my patients that are very sensitive, that’s what I have to do is I just use one herb at a time. Other ones, I refer to a doctor. I have Dr. Redd that works in my office here who’s an osteopathic doctor that can write prescriptions. Depending on the patient and what they have, whether or not it’s going to work or not, some things are really hard to get rid of without medications. You can treat, if there some tapeworm, for six months with an herb, or I can get it gone in just a few days with the medication. Then these herbals will continue that through. Not everybody can handle that due to the—it depends on their flora and what they’ve done with their gut, but at times, I’ve seen huge changes in people that have done that because they’ve done that. I have that in my clinic. We’re an integrative clinic that we’re able to get both of those views in there. Ideally, we like the natural route in doing things, but it’s made a difference. It helped me. It helped me get rid of my tapeworm that I got probably in South America when I lived down there for two years. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s often times where you pick up those big boys. Dr. Watts: Yeah. I see a lot of these LDS missionaries up here, and coming back from Brazil or Mexico or some of the—Peru, they have some messed up guts. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, scary stuff. Meredith: Yeah. I bet you’ve seen a lot. I’m just interested too, as you brought up true cellular detox, do you do cycling with a lot of the products and protocols as well? Just like Dr. Pompa suggested, the true cellular detox approach. Dr. Watts: I do. In regards to that, I’ll go from—like I said, last year, myself, I did ten different products. I did a couple medications, but then I went through a bunch of different Supreme Nutrition products, the VRMs, the A-P, PRL. -inaudible- has a product there that’s really good. I just rotate them through because one product doesn’t solve it. I wish it did. It’d be really nice if you had that. Then the product that I have coming out, what it does, it’s a blend that helps come in there and bind and pull that stuff off of the intestinal layer. It helps you if you’re getting rid of mucoid plaque and, also, a lot of intestinal parasites too that end up having to get in there. Dr. Pompa: What product is that Dr. Todd? Dr. Watts: It has a blend of -inaudible-, clove, and purslane in it. I’ve done different versions of testing, and so I’ll be coming out with it here pretty soon. I think within the next—I’m hoping within the next three days. I’ve been testing different blends to see what’s most effective on what I want it. I’ve been in the process for about a year and a half. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. I knew that. I’m waiting for that product. Yeah. I really am. We want to carry it there at Revelation Health. I want access to it for my people so absolutely. Dr. Watts: Yeah. You bet. Meredith: Is it a powder? Is it capsules? Is it a tincture? How is it taken? Dr. Watts: It’s a capsule. It’s this capsule. You take a couple twice a day. Depending on how sensitive people are, I—some people are really sensitive. I’ll go start with one capsule a day. The standard person, I usually do two, twice a day. Other ones, I can bump it up and be more aggressive. There again, the doctor can help with that process and how their systems are working. One of the things I always talk to people about with that is you’ve got to make sure the bowels are moving because you can get more constipation when you’re getting rid of parasites, especially using that product. I’ll use BIND, or a magnesium peroxide, or some type of—more magnesium in the system to help move things along, clear it out. Dr. Pompa: Right. I always say hidden infections are often times why someone can’t get to that next level. Parasites no doubt could be that hidden infection just like a root canal, cavitation, or parasites, even the ones that went beyond the gut. I had a client where they said, well, I got rid of my intestinal parasites. Then we did some other parasite work on them, more systemically, and it was a game changer. Meredith, that’s a good idea. I would love to see that. I always use Meredith as another Guinea pig. I mean, she’s amazing. She’ll do anything. Let’s put her on a parasite program, Dr. Todd. Let’s see what comes up. Dr. Watts: Oh, yeah. Meredith: Dr. Todd had sent me a protocol a while ago, and I’m up for it. I’m very curious. I don’t know if I should get a test, or just assume I have parasites and go forth with it, which, actually, that was one of my questions. Is there a danger in doing a parasite cleanse if you maybe aren’t sure that you have parasites, or what do you think there? Dr. Watts: I think a lot of the products, herbal products, are good immune boosters, right, and can help with multiple things. Not just parasites but fungus, and yeast, and other infections. I would look there again. I’m going to go back to my assessment forms, and see what people are going through. If they have autoimmunity, then I’m going to look at what may be suppressing the immune system and causing that to be out of control. That’s one of the considerations you have to make would be parasites. Like Dr. Pompa said, systemically, they can go systemic, and that’s a problem. That’s why many protocols that are out there—I know with autistic kids, Dr. Kalcker, Andreas Kalcker, he uses a protocol that’s 18 months, and Dr. Klinghardt has his protocol. Most of these protocols that they use on those go from a year to two-year process because they can come back. Because of those different stages of them, similar to the bacteria has different stages or different forms, there’s different stages of parasites. That’s where you have to learn how to understand using pulsing, using products a short period of time during specific times of month with full moon, things, and seeing when they hatched, addressing the eggs, addressing the larvae, and addressing the adult stage. Understanding the liver component, in those gall stones and stuff, they have—a lot of the eggs can be in there as well a lot of bacteria. Viruses can be stored in there. Even with Lyme disease, it’s really good to get that liver cleaned out because so much of that is affected by these infections. Meredith: Wow. It sounds like it can be quite complex too. Working with a coach, especially for parasites, would be prudent because of just the complexities of treating it well. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. When you’re dealing with molds and Lyme, heavy metals, these infections like parasites, I mean, you see the complexities. I mean, that’s why we need a growing group of doctors who understand. No doubt. Meredith: Yeah. Like you said too, it’s more than once that you need to do it as well. You often can’t just take one parasite product, and you’re good to go. There are stages, and it’s a process. Dr. Pompa: As you pull heavy metals out, we know this. I mean, people say yeah. No. This is clear, or that’s clear. All of a sudden, you do a heavy metal cycle and out—you pull Lyme out. You pull more parasites out. You have to be versed in all of it. Dr. Watts: Exactly. Meredith: To add a little bit more too, I think it’s interesting to talk about heavy metals and candida, Lyme, mold. Dr. Watts, too, just your thoughts on the interplay of all of these hidden infections and challenges, and how they can affect each other. Dr. Watts: Okay. That’s a great topic. One of the reasons why I like that is, when I look at the gut—so when we go to heal the body, one of the things we’ve talked about all the time is healing the gut. Most functional medicine or functional nutritional practitioners understand that that’s the key. You got to heal the leaky gut. I see people that have been on leaky gut protocols or candida protocols for ten years, right? They just have this chronic thing. Why? Heavy metals, obviously, is a huge component for that. If they have heavy metal toxicity within their gut lining, it’s going to be really hard to ever patch that leaky gut up. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. Dr. Watts: With the parasites, it’s the same thing, and very few practitioners are looking at addressing that at a really deep level. That creates the chronic candida or chronic infection. They just keep coming back. Why do they keep coming back? Why aren’t we getting rid of this problem? Look at the following. They secrete ammonia. They neutralize stomach acid. They neutralize the pancreatic enzymes, and so it completely affects your whole digestive system and your assimilation of nutrients. That’s where, if you’re going to go through and fix the gut, you’re going to have to clear the parasites out, and then restore stomach physiology, intestinal physiology back. Heal the lining, and support the process. They love, just like bacteria, putting out their toxins to then create an environment that they can exist in, right? Our goal is to create an environment that they don’t like to be in. That’s the key to part to true healing from these guys is to create that environment, create that microbiome. I’ll go through the protocols for a while, and I’ll be using RESTORE, Dr. Bush’s product in there, which I think is very important in that process. In the prebiotics, things that are going to feed the good bacteria within the system, I don’t throw people right on probiotics. Because I think a lot of times people get so excited about probiotics. They put people on probiotics forever. They’re on the same one, so they can create SIBO, or it’s just not a good environment, so they’re just going to die off anyways. Let’s get the sewer and let’s get the crud out of there. Let’s get a whole new great field where the villi can be in there. Digesting the bacteria can be all amongst the villi in the system there, and do what it needs to do to help heal and create optimal digestion. One of the things they do, Dr. Pompa, is they secrete mucin, right, mucus for protection against all these inflammatory things. Eventually, you get all that buildup. That buildup then, you can’t digest. It holds all the stuff down, all the heavy metals in there, and the bad bacteria, and the toxic flora, the yeast, fungus in there, and it’s hard to get rid of it. It’s where it’s really important to really clear that environment out. That’s part of what my product does is it helps to clear that environment out, so then you’re getting a fresh start. All of sudden, when you’re allergic to everything, now you’re allergic—and you can eat almost anything. Changing those food allergies—somebody who has a lot of food allergies, you know they have a lot of inflammation and probably parasites causing them. Meredith: Wow, such an important topic. This is so interesting. I was just speaking with a client on the phone yesterday too. She said, oh, I just had leaky gut and candida for years, and I just can’t seem to fix it. We were talking a long time. I think you’re just speaking to a lot of people right now who are having these chronic gut issues, and just still can’t seem to fix it. Doing so many different things and not looking at the parasite piece of the puzzle as our number one, Dr. Pompa, and removing that source. We don’t talk about parasites enough, but they’re clearly affecting a lot of people just unknowingly. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. Dr. Watts: One of the things that you look at on some of these chronic conditions, I had a patient that had UTI’s chronically for over two years. She was constantly on and off antibiotics. Once I did the parasite cleanse, -inaudible-. Meredith: Wow. Dr. Watts: It affects all of the systems in there, and the bacteria, they’ll just keep coming back because you’re not getting rid of. The antibiotics aren’t taking care of all of that. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. Dr. Watts: It goes back to the microbiome in all the areas. Meredith: Makes perfect sense. When speaking about microbiome and you talked a little bit about probiotics feeding the good bacteria, let’s talk about diet, and how that plays into parasites in your protocols. Do you recommend a specific diet? What are your thoughts there? Dr. Watts: It’s a great question. In my protocols, what I use… Meredith: Oh, you lost your image Dr.—oh, there you are. Dr. Pompa: It’s sideways. Meredith: Sideways. Dr. Pompa: You’re sideways. Dr. Watts: Yeah. I’m sideways there. Let me see if I can get that rearranged to automatically change and shift it. Dr. Pompa: That’s what it looks like, a brain parasite. Meredith: There we be. Dr. Watts: Okay. There we go. I’m going to flip it right around. Let’s see if I can get that back to where I was. Again, honestly, I just go straight up. In first two months, I’m doing Cellular Healing Diet. I try and get the inflammation down, and then I also try and build the yang body up so that they can heal better. Then from there, depending on what the issues are, if I can move forward in two more of a ketogenic diet and fasting. I think fasting is really important. I both implement those protocols that Dr. Pompa has taught us within that, and I also do some flushes. I’ll do the Vitamin C flush. I’ve also done some kidney flushes and some liver flushes to help clear out some of those issues. Meredith: If you’re tuning in for the first time, Cellular Healing Diet, that’s no grains, no sugar, no toxic fats and only good quality animal proteins, organic and grass-fed, if you’re just tuning in for the first time. Then for the fasting piece, Dr. Watts, is that intermittent fasting daily? Is that block fasting? What does that look like with the fasting in combination with the parasite protocols? Dr. Watts: I always go back to blood sugar, right? If they have a lot of blood sugar dysregulation and they can’t hardly go between meals without eating, then I’m going to try and just do it. See if they can do it for two meals, and I’ll build up to a full 24 hours. Then, eventually, on some of those people that are harder, I’ll go into then the three days and then some of the more advanced ones. Other ones I can get right on. Go straight into a good three or four day bone broth fast or whey water fast. I think the whey water one can be easier for people that have blood sugar issues. Yeah. Everybody’s different on that. That’s where the doctor has to understand how—first they have to work and show up to work. If they do, I need to be slower at going into that when you have a bad blood sugar problem. If not, most of them I start on Thursday and go through Sunday. Usually, that first day they’re fine, so they can get through work and not be affected. Other ones could be really tired, exhausted, but if they have the time and they’re really sick anyways, and they’re at home sleeping, then they have the ability to rest, then I might go those three days instead of just a one day thing. Everybody’s different on their situation. That has to be a doctor’s choice, or a patient has to discuss that with the doctor on how they feel and what that is. Meredith: I don’t know if this is a silly question. I’m just curious too. Can you starve parasites with a water fast, or a bone broth fast, or even a ketogenic diet, if there’s no sugar? Is it like candida and yeast in that way, or once they’re in, they’re in, and you have to do a specific cleanse to remove them? Dr. Watts: It’s a really good question. I ‘ve seen people and I’ve read research that people that have done water fasts for a long period of time have been able to get rid of parasites just with the water fast, but I don’t think that you go deep enough with just the fasting. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. I would argue that it just—you’d have to go too long. You have to understand that there’s so much nutrition they can access. I mean, honestly, I mean, they’re clever. They can fast as long as you, trust me, or probably longer. Dr. Watts: Yeah. Meredith: Opportunistic like candida. Yeah. Dr. Watts: Yeah, exactly. I think some of those others like candida is difficult to get rid of if you have parasites, or you have heavy metal toxicity, or if you’re on a lot of medications. You have those components of—well, candida is usually a byproduct of just the environment and things that are there. It’s not usually the main concern. Meredith: Yeah. I think that brings up an interesting question too. If you have parasites, and candida, and heavy metal issues, perhaps even throwing mold into the mix, how do you go about treating them all? You can’t do it at the same time, right? How do you focus on treatment plans, and how do you both do that? I’m curious. Dr. Watts: That’s a good question, and the order is important, really important, in my opinion. The way I do it is I go through the prep phase. I’m going to open up the detox pathways, and then I’m going to start with digestive parasites. In my prep phase, I’m working on parasites along with opening up all the detox pathways. Candida is just a byproduct. It’s going to get out of there as you fix and heal everything else, in my opinion, on most cases. Sometimes not but I don’t start there because it could be inside the parasites. I’m going to go with the bigger organisms in there to get rid of that. The last thing I do, really, is heavy metals. To me, heavy metals is dangerous to start off with if your detox pathways aren’t open. When I get down through my cellular detox program, I’m going through. Usually it’s about four or five months, and I’m getting into doing heavy metal detoxification. By then, people are doing better. I address pathogens first. Then I get to the heavy metals, and then I still address the parasites, really, probably for at least a year. You can get the heavy metals out. Other things are going to come up. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. I call it the dance because then -inaudible-, right? It’s like then you start bringing metals out. Then you all of a sudden start bringing different things out. You could bring out Lyme at that point. Then there’s this dance that you have to figure out. It’s, okay, in cycle, a heavy metals, Lyme. It’s followed by a Lyme, and it’s a little different for everybody. It depends on what the body gives you. Again, that’s working with the coach that really gets it and has seen this little dance that you have to play. Dr. Watts: That’s a good point. Because even with the Lyme—I treat a lot of people with Lyme, and sometimes the symptoms are so bad with the Lyme. I treat the Lyme first to get some of the symptoms down, and then I’m going after the parasites. Then I treat Lyme, and then I go after the parasites. Yeah. It’s that dance. That’s a really good way to explain it. I agree with you on that. Dr. Pompa: Yeah. Like I said, it’s a little different for everybody, right? Dr. Watts: Yeah. Dr. Pompa: I mean, everyone is going to let things go differently. Like I said, you look at someone’s symptoms, and it almost tells you where to go next. Dr. Watts: Yeah, exactly. Dr. Pompa: Good question. Meredith: Yeah. Got to do the dance with the coach. Wow. That’s a perfect take-home message I think for all of our viewers who are watching and are suspecting maybe some parasite issues, along with candida, and Lyme, and heavy metals, and all of these toxins that we’re exposed to today and these health challenges. Where you’re listening and you aren’t getting answers, or you’re symptoms aren’t resolving no matter what you do. It’s a really, really interesting topic to delve into parasites and to learn more about them. Thank you so much, Dr. Watts, for bringing this information to our viewers. This is a really fascinating topic. I’m wondering if you have anything else you’d like to share or add? Dr. Watts: I think the first thing starts is finding a good practitioner that’s going to help you with that process, and helping them understand that so many symptoms can go back to parasite infections. Dietary changes are really important. That is going to be a key, really, to ultimate health. You have to get inflammation down so your hormones can work, so your thyroid can work. Because if your thyroid isn’t working, then it’s hard to build that immune system back up to where it needs to be. Get at it. Get after all of it. It all is important, every single one. Heavy metals, Lyme, bacteria, viruses, you can’t leave any of them out. Dr. Pompa: Yeah, absolutely. Those are the big hitters. Todd, Dr. Todd, thank you so much. Dr. Watts: You’re welcome. Dr. Pompa: Your product, we want to be the first to carry it. Dr. Watts: Okay. Dr. Pompa: Let’s get this thing done. Dr. Watts: Sounds good. Dr. Pompa: We’ll put you back on the show when we have the product. Right, Meredith? Meredith will make that happen. Meredith: Yeah. Dr. Pompa: All right, thank you, Todd. Dr. Watts: All right. Meredith: Yeah. Thank you, Dr. Pompa, and thank you so much, Dr. Todd. We’ll definitely do a part two when you get your product out, so we can really delve into the science behind that and how to use it. In the meantime, where can our viewers find out more about you? Dr. Watts: We have a Facebook page in Total Body Wellness Clinic and, also, our website at totalbodywellnessclinic.com. Dr. Pompa: Awesome. Meredith: Awesome. Dr. Pompa: Thanks doc. Meredith: All right, thank you, Dr. Pompa. Thank you, Dr. Watts. Dr. Watts: Thank you. Meredith: Awesome show, amazing information as always, thanks for tuning in. Everyone, have a wonderful weekend, and we’ll catch you next week. Take care.