Transcript of Episode 207: Creating Real Immunity

With Dr. Daniel Pompa, Meredith Dykstra, Dr. Cilla Whatcott, and Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez

Meredith Dykstra:
Hello everyone, and welcome to Cellular Healing TV. I’m your host, Meredith Dykstra and this is Episode 207. We have our resident Cellular Healing specialist, Dr. Dan Pompa on the line. Today, we welcome not one, but two special guests, Dr. Cilla and Dr. Xochitl. We are going to be delving into the world homeoprophylaxis, which is a big word. If you haven’t heard about this, you’re going to learn all about it in today’s show. It’s an interesting solution and alternative to vaccines. We’re going to dig in. Before we get started, I’d like to have you keep in mind that this podcast is not intended to diagnose or treat any disease or health condition and is not a substitute for professional medical advice. Cellular Healing TV is solely informational in nature, so please consult with your healthcare practitioner before engaging in anything that’s suggested on the show. Note that the views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the guests/experts. We encourage you to make your own decisions regarding the information shared.

Let me tell you a little bit more about our guests though. As your holistic advocate, Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez empowers families, corporations, entrepreneurs, and leaders to live a holistic and balanced lifestyle. Her 10-plus year background in clinical pharmacy, peer-reviewed publications, and patent in cancer and immunology research, enables her to offer a unique perspective at bridging Western and functional medicine. Dr. Cortez-Gonzalez has been actively involved in holistic medicine related research and initiatives to bring more evidence-based awareness to alternative medicine and topics that affect our body homeostasis with nature. Growing up in Mexico and through her worldwide travels, Dr. Cortez-Gonzalez has a great cultural and human awareness that offers a deeper appreciation to health and wellness. One of her personal challenges has been to educate her own westernized family into holistic healthcare.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott is a board-certified classical homeopath with a BA from Arizona State University, a diploma from the four-year professional program at Northwestern Academy of Homeopathy, and a Ph.D. in homeopathy, and an instructor at Normandale Community College. She also is the author of There Is a Choice: Homeoprophylaxis and co-author of The Solution: Homeoprophylaxis. Cilla is the Executive Director of Worldwide Choice, an organization undertaking evidence-based research with homeoprophylaxis—maybe we’ll call it HP—and training medically licensed providers to administer HP. She offers individualized homeoprophylaxis programs for adults and children, and has been a guest lecturer around the world, and was featured in Episode 7 of The Truth About Vaccines. She’s organized and directed international conferences about homeoprophylaxis with leading researchers around the world. Cilla has published many articles and is the recipient of the 2016 Public Service Award from the Weston A. Price Foundation. Cilla’s the Producer and Director of Real Immunity, a film about the intelligence of life and how we can overcome fear to access the resources we need to build real immunity. As a mother to children adopted from Russia, Taiwan, and China, and one biological child, her deepest desire is to see families everywhere heal and thrive.

Wow, amazing resumes both of you. Welcome, Dr. Cilla and Dr. Xochitl to Cellular Healing TV. We are so excited to discuss real immunity and homeoprophylaxis today.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Thank you, Meredith. It’s great to be here; appreciate the invitation. I think we should start with the definition of HP. It’s basically a subset of homeopathy. It’s the use of potent diluted and potentized diseased products that are given in an oral fashion in order to download information to the system and familiarize the immune system with a disease before it meets it in public.

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Amazing.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing; let’s define this. Because look, first of all, this is a show that brings me great passion because obviously, I had a child that was on the autism spectrum damaged from vaccines. My message is always educate yourself on this topic. I believe when people educate themselves on the topic of vaccines, they come out on the other side going holy cow; I had no idea. However, with all that said, I believe the next thought in their mind is they still feel like they want to do something to protect their child. I think it’s a mother’s instinct and intuition. A guilt of okay, I didn’t do this, but I feel like I have to do something, God forbid. That has always been asked to me. When I heard of this topic, I thought my gosh, this is perfect because this is not only something that makes the mother feel better but according to your work, the research here, it actually works better. It actually gives you real immunity, which maybe that’s the place we start, give it a whole show on vaccines. Obviously, you’ve done your homework with vaccines. Why is this better? Why is this building real immunity versus what we would say about vaccines?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Alright, that’s a great question. A couple of major differences. Both are trying to acquaint the body with the disease prior to encountering it. That’s where the similarities end. With homeoprophylaxis, it’s a pure form of the disease because it’s energetic. There are no molecules of the original disease. There are no adjuvants. There’s no preservatives. There’s no excipients. There’s nothing of any kind other than the frequency of the original disease. It’s like downloading a frequency. We know that everything is energy. Everything vibrates at a certain frequency. If we become familiar with the frequency of that disease prior to encountering it, then we know how to mount an appropriate immune response, and either repeal the disease or mitigate the disease if we do contract the disease.

Dr. Pompa:
Basically, the frequency of the disease. Let’s just say whether it’s whooping cough or one of the other childhood disease, it gives the body the frequency, and then the body then the knowing if you will, to deal with the actual virus in case it, in fact, is exposed. Is that in simple terms?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
That’s absolutely correct. We call it educating the immune system. We’re just giving it an education.

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Cilla, if I can—

Dr. Pompa:
I’ll just say one thing, Xochitl, and then I’ll let you talk. You said something that we glossed over in that this doesn’t contain all the adjuncts, all the ingredients that are one part of why vaccines have a lot of problems, whether it’s the mercury, the aluminum, the retroviruses. We can go on and on with a long list of ingredients that are potentially harmful to the body and the immune system. This has none of that.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
That’s correct. Also, the route of introduction. How do we get disease in nature? It comes through mucous membrane. HP is delivered through mucous membrane, not injected into the bloodstream.

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Yeah, I just want to bring my two tokens of something. As an immunologist, as an ever always learning scientist, this is homeopathy. If someone can actually—or would like to know exactly how homeopathy works, they can just google or try to find us the definition of homeopathy. Homeopathy is nothing but something dissolved and so many dilutions. When we say it’s potent, it’s because we do the succussion, which is like a vigorous shaking. Cilla, do you want to say something?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
You’re breaking up the water bonds and then there’s some information that’s being contained in those water molecules. That’s delivering the frequency.

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Correct, and your audience can actually look into how the water can contain messages or energy. Deeper than that, as an immunologist, I could see—and of course, this is a speculation because we haven’t looked into the mechanism of action, and how exactly every single disease has—or how we encounter and our immune system respond naturally to a disease. Where I’m going with this is that we know about TH1, TH2, TH3 type of response. We know about the humoral and the innate immune system, but I feel—and this is something I share deeply with Cilla—that energetically, when we trigger the immune system with homeopathic—in this case with HP— we may be even triggering a completely different pathway that has to do with the energetic type of immune system pathways that are not being uncovered or have not been studied yet. They probably are deeper as far as functioning, as the actual molecule.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you both actually brought up one of the problems I have with vaccines. Of course, I believe there is many, many neurotoxins in them. However, going beyond that, vaccines stimulate the wrong immune system. Meaning, that if we get a disease naturally through the mucous membranes, we stimulate a type one reaction where—a TH1 reaction, where we have lifetime immunity. The vaccine is stimulating a TH2 reaction, which is more of an emergency reaction that I believe leads to cancer and other autoimmune. That’s my opinion. That’s my research on this. What you’re saying though, you’re saying number one, the HP doesn’t do that. It’s more of a natural. Cilla, I heard you say that. Then Xochitl, I hear you saying that it may even go beyond that to where it’s activating an immune response that we haven’t even figured out yet, even a better real immune response. Am I summarizing that?

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Yes, that’s exactly it.

Dr. Pompa:
Then Cilla, when we’re are doing this, are we raising the antibodies? Meaning that when we get a vaccine—trying to differentiate between this—like you said, you’re calling this real immunity. A vaccine I would say gives temporary immunity. Meaning that we can give an injection, we can measure antibodies for months, maybe years afterwards. By the way, that’s why we need boosters because it’s not lifetime immunity. The antibodies eventually go down. With this, we’re not able to actually look in—we’re not able to measure antibody reaction, so how do we know if we bolstered the immune system with the HP?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
We basically know by looking at long-term health outcomes. The major long-term study was done by Dr. Isaac Golden in Australia, over 15 years, 3,000 children. He had a vaccinated group, an unvaccinated group, and an HP group. He found that the HP group had better long-term health outcomes than the unvaccinated group, which surprised him. All he could conclude was that they were circulating this natural disease, deriving all the benefits with none of the risks. They had fewer ear infections, allergies, atopic illnesses, eczema. That was a definite indicator that long-term health was better.

Also, there was a study done in Cuba by Gustavo Bracho with rats where they injected the rats with Leptospirosis. All the non-HP rats died. The rats receiving HP, 80% of them lived, did not contract leptospirosis. Yet, they had no antibody production. There’s proof positive that we can see long-term health without an inflammatory response of just making antibodies.

Dr. Pompa:
Which I argue, and many scientists argue that the fact that there are antibodies is problematic. You’re saying that there definitely aren’t antibodies. However, the immunity is superior according to those two studies that you just mentioned?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Right, and also just historically we see superior effectiveness. There are some parents—I have hundreds of children in the program—and some parents do test. Some do see some antibodies, and some don’t. We don’t really have a definitive answer with that, nor do we hang our hat on the antibody function. Even immunologists are in disagreement about antibodies. Some feel that immunity is based on antibodies and others feel that it is not.

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Yes, I want to put my two tokens about that. Having antibody production against a pathogen or some vaccine does not mean necessarily that you actually have a protection. Just to begin with, you may establish an antibody response, but it doesn’t mean it’s a long-lasting. They’re still figuring out how exactly we have a long-lasting protection from any disease. Regardless of how we want to artificially vaccinate someone, there’s nothing like being exposed to the wild pathogen, or the bacteria, or whichever the organism that’s causing the disease. I may sound a little extremist, this fight against microorganisms and all the bad guys. Let’s think about it. They were here before us on this planet. There’re a lot more—trillions and billions—than the cells that contain in one single body of us. If they really wanted to get rid of us, we wouldn’t exist to begin with. I think the natural way of getting a disease is one of the best protective ways. However, we get into political dilemma as far as is this the real answer for masses? It questions why we need to do vaccines the way that is being done now.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, well listen, if that’s the extreme view, that’s my view as well because I believe that our kids get better, our immune systems get better when they get chickenpox vaccine, whatever it is, any of the childhood diseases. I believe that it does make a better immune system that actually prevents cancer, autoimmune, and other diseases later in life. That’s why I was trying to get my kids measles, mumps, rubella exposure.

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Absolutely.

Dr. Pompa:
That was one of my questions actually. If they get this, then they’ll actually still get exposure to the disease. The immune system will go through its normal reaction, express symptoms. Because I had exposure to measles and mumps, expressed the symptoms as a kid. Although my immune system went through the process and got better because of it. Give me an understanding of that?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
That’s correct; it is similar. Your experience tells us that you did not have a strong susceptibility to those particular diseases because it’s all based on our susceptibility. When individuals take HP, we can see immune activation in the form of flushed cheeks, more stool, maybe even a slight fever, or a runny nose; very mild, very benign. It’s just an indicator that the immune system is waking up. We do see that. It’s a positive thing. When parents don’t see it and they question it, I just say your child didn’t have susceptibility to that particular disease.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, you get the best of both worlds with this, non-toxic.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Right, the application for third world countries is amazing because it requires no cold chain; it’s very inexpensive; rapid production; it’s not gender specific; it’s not species specific. You can put it in the water of animals. Also, it applies to mutated viruses. Now, we see all these outbreaks of pertussis in fully vaccinated populations because bacteria mutates. It’s going to find a way. It’s a life form. Whereas with HP, it addresses all those mutations, so it’s really superior in that regard.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, matter of fact, I was going to ask that. Are you able to do this and see the outcomes in third world countries? How much has this been used there?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Extensively, that’s where most of our observations have been over the last 200 years. In India, it’s sanctioned as a legal and viable alternative to vaccine so people can choose. All the state hired physicians use homeoprophylaxis. It’s very well utilized. Japanese encephalitis, over 10 million children, they reduced the incidents. In India, chikungunya, cholera. In Cuba, Leptospirosis, 2007, 2008, they reduced the incidents to zero with Leptospirosis for 2.3 million people; very well documented. Meningitis in Brazil, influenza. It’s extensive. It’s only in the US where information is not distributed.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s my next question. We can’t argue what’s better. It gives real immunity. Yet, in the United States, is it just that—this is Big Pharma. A vaccine is the cash cow. There’s no worry about being sued. You do not have to prove -inaudible-. Matter of fact, if a drug company does do a study on safety, it actually makes them more liable for being sued. Therefore, if they don’t do safety studies, they have greater protection of not being sued, so there’s no reason to do safety studies. It takes hundreds of millions of dollars to bring a drug to market and yet a fraction for vaccines. Is that why we’re not seeing this in the US? Is that why we’re not hearing about it? Is there any states that are looking at this?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Yeah, Dr. Pompa, that’s one of the reasons. Another reason is fear. Fear is the driver of ignorance. There have been newspaper articles about certain individuals from the CDC even saying that the fear of meningitis will be the driver for the vaccine.

Dr. Pompa:
Absolutely.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Then the fear amongst colleagues. Look at those who have spoken out and what happens to their careers, to their reputations. People are in a position where they don’t want to speak up, but more, and more, and more parents who are gaining an education are quietly exhibiting their own—they’re voting with their feet. Let’s say that. Civil disobedience, which is the way change can happen.

Dr. Pompa:
I know that my viewers and listeners are saying okay, where can I get this stuff because you said hey adults -inaudible- need for this, as well as children so that number one, we’re going to share where they can get it. Number two, is it legal? Are states coming after this? Are they trying to block it? Tell us about that.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
We know that many states have a philosophical exemption, so they have the right to choose whatever they want; nothing or something that they want. Only three states only have a medical exemption: California, Mississippi, and West Virginia. The rest all have religious exemptions. There’s ways around the law if you don’t run into someone at the front desks who’s trying to impede your free agency to make a choice. Basically, people take the law into their own hands. It is legal in many states, just by virtue of being able to do whatever you choose. In terms of where do you get it, there are websites selling homeoprophylaxis. I personally feel very, very strongly about educating. I don’t sell a widget. I don’t sell a product on my site. I have people contact me. I have a program. The program includes education. It includes a kit. It includes support in the program so that I’m educating. I don’t want people to feel like you’re just replacing a vaccine with a pellet. That’s not my goal. I want to really have people understand the immune system and reduce the fear surrounding disease.

Dr. Pompa:
Good for you. How do they access your teachings?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
They can go to worldwidechoice.org. Through that site, they can simply contact me. Then I send them all the information about the program and work with them one-on-one.

Dr. Pompa:
I know you don’t sell product, but some of the top websites to get them, do you point them in the right direction to be able to get them?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
No, I sell the program with a kit. I have my kits made by a reputable pharmacy where I feel like I have a little more control than just whatever’s out there. Some people will just sell the nosodes. Sell the remedies with no instructions, no information, just saying this is for pertussis or this is for this or that. That’s what I feel is not helpful because you’re not teaching anybody anything. You’re just replacing something. No, I do sell the whole program so people can come to Worldwide Choice for all of it.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s fantastic. Yeah, that’s great. There you go, folks. I know that that’s an interest obviously for all of you. Okay, let me ask that question next. Parents are going to say well, -inaudible- my child. Is there a homeopathic I can give to help that? Are these useful after the fact? Who should utilize these, due when? There’s a lot of questions there.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Right, a lot of parents are pregnant or have a newborn. They’re interested because they’re completely convinced they don’t want to vaccinate. That’s one segment of the population. Other parents who have changed lanes, they’ve vaccinated their child. They regret it. They see the difference in children in their family who are less and less vaccinated. It’s perfectly possible to jump into HP after being vaccinated because we know vaccines don’t necessarily confer immunity. They can dysregulate the immune system. It’s fine to jump into an HP program after someone’s been vaccinated. The other application is in travel. Many doctors will say you have to have vaccines to go to a foreign country. That’s completely erroneous.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, totally erroneous.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Yeah, you don’t need to have—only yellow fever if you’re going to a place where it’s indigenous. People come to me for tropical disease. Very, very popular application. Very easy to do. We meet face-to-face on Skype or Facetime. I give them the directions. I also give them tons of information about the actual diseases, extra remedies they can bring, tons of support surrounding their trip. We just call it travel prophylaxis.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, that’s a great thing. What about flu shots? I don’t fear the flu, obviously, but many do.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Yeah, this is my favorite topic because there was a double-blind placebo-controlled study with Influenzinum done in Brazil in the 1970s and repeated in the 1990s. Very, very successful. Influenzinum, in which we make from a variety of historic flu strains. Very, very effective. Completely safe. I have lots of doctors, nurses, hospital workers, who call me to obtain it because they don’t want a flu vaccine. Then they get a colleague to sign off for them. It’s highly effective and easy. One little vial of it for $25 will last a family of six for a couple of years.

Dr. Pompa:
That’s the thing, these homeopathics are so cheap, too.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
So cheap, yeah. That’s the other reason Pharma doesn’t want this out. You’ve seen their recent attempts to discredit homeopathy. For years, they said it’s nothing; it’s hocus pocus; there’s nothing in it; it’s placebo. Now, they’re saying we’ve got to control these remedies because they’re killing children. They’re jumping on the other side. It’s ludicrous. Parents can see the ridiculous position that’s being taken. Still, we feel at risk that they’re going to try to clamp down on the sale of all homeopathic remedies.

Dr. Pompa:
Can a family just get one whole box that really just makes up all of the -inaudible- if you will?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Yeah, sure. They can get kits, absolutely. I sell a kit with eight diseases. The program that I sell covers eight common childhood diseases: pertussis, pneumonia, Haemophilus B, polio, tetanus, meningitis, measles, and mumps. Then they can add in any diseases they want, tropical disease. I try to educate parents because they’ll say things like what about hepatitis B. I’ll explain there’s no need for hepatitis B unless you’re doing this, this, or this.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, it’s another big lie. What about Gardasil? To me, it’s another huge lie. To me, there’s no need anyway, but go ahead and address it.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Yeah, there’s no need. I took a class from Diane Harper, who was one of the HPV experts who helped to develop, who developed the vaccine. She said it was a giant public health experiment. She did not condone it being fast-tracked to market. It’s devastating. All sexually active individuals carry human papillomavirus. They naturally clear it with a healthy immune system. I’m not in favor of messing with things that nature put into place.

Dr. Pompa:
Look, I’ve witnessed many young girls get severally neurologically damaged after the vaccines. They’re still not right. You’re playing Russian roulette there. I’ll tell you, that’s a big one. It infuriated very quickly there. Meredith, I know you have some questions, too. This is a topic that oh boy, I get goosebumps up and down because it just angers me that we have such an effective solution. We’re not hearing about it. Honestly, I’m almost embarrassed myself that this is the first time that I’ve had you on this show. I apologize, and I apologize to my viewers. Shame on me for not digging deeper because I didn’t realize the effectiveness of these. I meet Xochitl at one of the seminars. I was like I have to have this show, so thank you both for being here. Anyways, go ahead, Meredith. I know you have some questions. I just felt that guilt run through me.

Meredith Dykstra:
I’m just curious from the nitty gritty perspective too of how it actually works with the implementation. Say I have a baby and I want to use HP. How does it work? Is there a certain schedule? How is it taken? What are the sources of some these viruses to simulate the immune system? Just the specifics.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Yeah, good questions. Everyone asks these. You basically would contact WorldWide Choice. We set up an appointment. I send you a kit. I send you a booklet for recordkeeping. In the kit are 16 little vials with the pellets. Pellets are given by mouth on a monthly schedule. I tell you how you’re going to do that. The schedule itself is very flexible. The order of the diseases, that’s very flexible, but there’s a certain order that’s better for children at certain ages, so we go over that. We individualize the program to you and to your children so that it’s very individualized. Then I’m there for support. You have questions, something comes up, you just reach out. That’s basically how the program’s put into place. The diseases themselves are sourced mostly from children’s hospitals from the sputum or the saliva of people with these diseases. Again, as Xochitl described, they’re diluted to the extent beyond Avogadro’s number. No molecules of that original substance, it’s just the energy.

Meredith Dykstra:
How many different diseases are addressed?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
In the kit, the program that I use, there are eight. They’re the top eight ones that parents are concerned about. We have nosodes for any disease, all diseases, tropical diseases, all diseases. It’s just a matter of educating yourself about whether you really need to take something for that disease like we discussed hep B or HPV. Let’s say you’re going to a country where you’re afraid of hepatitis A. We talk about your risk. It’s all about susceptibility and exposure. Are you an adventurous eater? Are you going to be eating off street carts? Are you going to be in a four-star hotel? All of these things make a difference, so we individualize what you need instead of just having a knee-jerk, one size fits all, take everything approach.

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Right, I want to put my two tokens. Cilla is very good at customizing with each family need and concern. There may be a mother that is just so apprehensive that even if she understands that hepatitis A or maybe hepatitis B—Cilla will work with them to actually not only make them clear on their education and why they would choose to do something, but she will accommodate. Is that right, Cilla?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
That’s correct, Xochitl, yeah.

Meredith Dykstra:
For most babies, they would be okay with just those eight basic HPs. Then for adults, perhaps if they were traveling, they would have something more specific. There’s always customization in general, but most would just go with those eight vials?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Exactly, most are happy with that. Now, if you’re going to be leaving the country, going to another country, then we might add something in. Also, the latest thing is the CDC method of cocooning. Have you heard of this? Cocooning is where the OB/GYN tells the new young mother you can’t let anyone touch your baby unless they’ve had shingles vaccine, pneumonia vaccine, flu vaccine, all of these vaccines. These poor young moms are controlled. I work with a lot of grandparents who come to me. I say okay, we’ll give you HP for those things and you can tell your daughter-in-law that you’re protected. Yeah, there’s more ways to skin a cat.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I believe this whole vaccine—trying to basically make every human take a vaccine forcibly hinges on herd immunity. Meaning, that the constitution protects us unless we can convince people in the government that we’re a threat if we’re not vaccinated to others. Now, it becomes oh, well, now we can make everyone get vaccinated because that takes your own freedoms away for the protection of the people and the constitution. If we can convince that herd immunity is real, then that’s a threat to our freedom of choice as far as vaccinating goes. Speak a little bit about that, even how this may actually even counteract that.

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Go ahead. No, I was going to remind you, Cilla, that you guys have a very good study that was actually done in India on how you actually clear after the next year that you guys did an event, used HP. They were still protected.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Yeah, that was the Cuba study. The Cuba study for leptospirosis, they had multiple hurricanes came through in 2007. They typically vaccinate the entire population annually against lepto. It’s a tropical disease, spirochete. High mortality rate, up to 40%. They had multiple hurricanes. They could not produce and distribute the vaccine adequately and decided to use homeoprophylaxis in one—

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
The regular vaccine. They couldn’t distribute the regular vaccine.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, I got that.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Correct, so they used HP for 2.3 million people in one area. What they found is that the incidents dropped as it went up in other regions, the non-HP regions. The following year, it dropped even more and started to extend outside of that region, almost like a morphogenetic effect. It seems to me like it’s even more possible to have an energetic type of herd immunity than what we’re being spoon-fed and told is herd immunity. Herd immunity is about natural disease. What’s HPV? It’s natural disease. Vaccines are not natural disease. It robs women of extending their immunity to their offspring because they can no longer confer immunity for measles, mumps, chickenpox to their children through nursing. That’s part of the mechanism of herd immunity, really having natural disease that enables a population to stay more healthy.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, so with that said, how does this translate to the child? If we’re giving the mother these frequencies, can that translate into the child? Is there some type of inherited protection?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
That’s a great question, and we don’t know the answer until we’ve really observed over a few generations. I would suspect that immunity will extend, but we don’t know because we don’t have something to measure. We need a mechanism of action in something measurable. Which, will we find it? I don’t know. I work with a lot of doctors, a lot of people. Xochitl can attest to this; we’re not finding that exact mechanism of action to nail it.

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Correct, but it is inherited. There is other homeopathy type of work that is based on miasms. It’s a big word, but it’s something that is known for homeopaths. There is some inheriting energetic diseases if you will. There is a way to clear them. If you clear them with homeopathy, which is also like energetic medicine if you will. You actually are clearing the passage of these diseases. I’m not going to say that I have attested or actually have. I’ve just seen observational studies in which homeopathy done in the right way—and that’s another. I want to stress that what Cilla is saying about she’s very into education for the same reason that homeopathy not well done, doesn’t work. That’s why if you go to the whole food or you try to look for just homeopathy and just try to treat yourself for flu, or whatever cold, sometimes you actually start saying homeopathy doesn’t work because it didn’t do what it was supposed to say in the box. This is not commercial homeopathy. This is homeopathy that was done a certain way. That’s why education is so important and how to give it. Again, Cilla takes the time and invests all this dedication to actually instruct the mother or the head of the family who’s going to take care of those kids to actually tell them how to apply it or how to give it to the kids, like a schedule and everything else, which I think is very important.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, no, it sounds important. Xochitl, what’s your feelings being an immunologist on herd immunity before we leave that topic because I really do believe our freedom hinges on this topic?

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
I am very bias about all this. One of the main with just—I’m going to give you an example. With the flu vaccine, if we really have something culled like that, and it would be so effective, regardless of the virus mutating. I’m just saying because as a scientist and me designing vaccines, I know that I need to find the part of the virus that is not likely to mutate as much to use as an antigen, to use it as a vaccine. If it was really effective, we should have a better efficacy on all this flu vaccination, just to begin with as an immunologist, but we’re not seeing that. Regardless of mutation or not, I actually feel it’s not the right conduct. It’s not the right way to do it, to begin with. The herd immunity that the people keep calling, I feel is more like a—when you say oh I think that people die when you put on oxygen mask, or you actually give them oxygen, and there’s a correlation with that. If you go into a hospital and the usage of oxygen at the end of life when people are about to die, it’s very high. Where do we keep all this? Is this observational study like how they claim that alternative medicine is so subjective? This is my feelings about it like it’s not a true evidence. Cilla, do you have something to say about it?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Xochitl, the thing that comes to my mind, and this is my feeling very strongly about this whole flu vaccine business going on, that is there’s a study by Cowling and Fang, 2012, that shows the administration of the flu vaccine increases our susceptibility to other viruses.

Dr. Pompa:
I agree.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
It compromises TH1. That’s why people are getting so much sicker with the flu vaccine. It’s not that they’re catching what the flu vaccine is protecting against. They’re catching other viruses. It’s compromising their system, so we see rampant mutated viruses. This year, I’ve had patients with really horrific cases of flu. I think it’s due to the flu vaccine. That’s what it’s doing to herd immunity.

Dr. Pompa:
I feel like, of course, the theory is okay if you’re non-vaccinated, you’re a threat. The argument for even the cocoon thing that they’re saying don’t let your child be around someone who’s not vaccinated. I think it’s a bunch of garbage. There’s no science ever that I can see that it holds up. However, because many will use this as their pivotal argument to lose our freedom to not vaccinate, I think that’s why we’re seeing such junk science around it. Yeah, with this topic is there any shred of a chance that we could get government, states behind this especially considering it’s working so well in other countries or is Big Pharma just too big and strong here?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
I think Pharma’s pretty darn strong and has very deep pockets. I think that my passion, my goal, is to educate people to that extent that it’s a grassroots movement that starts to change things. It’s parents wanting it. It’s physicians who are learning and becoming open-minded and wanting it. It’s the chiropractic community who already gets it. It’s just a matter of pressure from the bottom up. That’s how political change will happen. I’m not a political activist. I’m an educator. I’m an activator. I’ve held conferences. I’m doing this film. I’ve written books. I just want to educate people. I believe it will move forward from there. I believe things are changing. A lot of people would disagree with me.

Dr. Pompa:
I tell you, I would love to have you at my seminar. We have 300 plus doctors that believe the way we believe. They need to know this. Meredith, we’ve got to get Cilla at one of our events. We have two coming up. The one was full, but we may have a slot depending on someone may having to cancel. We need you. We need docs to know this information.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Thank you. I just want to mention that there’s a summit. The ICPA, the International Chiropractic Pediatric Association, they are associate producers on the film that I’m doing. Jeannie Ohm is in the film. I’m going to be speaking at their conference the first weekend in March. That’s on the east coast.

Dr. Pompa:
Yeah, and I want to tell a little bit about—because when this is released, so will your documentary, Real Immunity. Tell a little about that because that’s going to be just a wealth of knowledge for people.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Yes, it will be released in the next month. We’re racing to get through post-production. It will first be released free of charge for a viewing for about 48 hours. You need to go to realimmunity.org and sign up for the free viewing. Then you’ll be on that list. It’s a full-length, feature documentary. It’s a 90-minute documentary. It’s in two episodes. The first episode addresses fear and how to overcome fear. How to look at fevers, and viruses, and childhood illnesses in the right way. How to find a good practitioner; what we’re all looking for. Then Episode Two talks about some of the resources: chiropractic; functional medicine; homeopathy; and homeoprophylaxis is highlighted in the second episode with interviews with some of the Indian doctors, some of the researchers, some of the parents using it. That’s really a deeper dive into homeoprophylaxis. It’s important to me not to polarize for one, but simply to open the door to expanded thinking and to dispel fear, and to support parents and empower them in their knowledge that life is intelligent. They are the experts for their children, and here are your resources. I’m not only saying homeoprophylaxis is the only way resource. There’s lots of resources. You can build your toolkit. You can trust your instincts. That’s the goal for the film.

Dr. Pompa:
I love that education because parents will call me, my child has a fever. What do I do? I’m like nothing; perfect. My child is sick. Great, that’s how you build immunity. We’re taught that we have to give our child something like Tylenol, this, that, a cough suppressant. Your child’s coughing. Great, it’s doing what it should do. I’ve raised my kids with that opposite philosophy that the world has and we have healthy kids.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Yeah, and that’s what we see in parents who are opting for HP, or not vaccinating. I just want to see them become the majority.

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Cilla, just before we go off the tangent on the HP. Can you go, Cilla, a little bit over how the efficacy of homeoprophylaxis compared to a regular vaccine as far as can you still get the disease? Can you explain a little bit about it? If someone has the HP or has been protected with HP, how his body will respond to that disease if they were to get it?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Right, thanks, Xochitl. We see about a 90% effectiveness across the board with tropical diseases, with childhood diseases. Many of the things in the childhood kit we don’t encounter like tetanus, so we can’t really say. We see about 90% in those communicable diseases. There’s always a risk of catching a disease; nothing’s 100% effective. That’s the risk we take in life. A 90% effectiveness I think is quite good. That’s what Isaac found in his 15-year study with the childhood diseases. If you do catch the disease, it’s typically much less severe because the body knows how to mount a response.

Dr. Pompa:
Perfect.

Meredith Dykstra:
Are there any contraindications at all or any warnings for anyone who maybe wouldn’t be a good candidate?

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
We like to see children who are neurotypical to start. I want to see that their immune system is basically working. There’s no contraindications. I’ve worked with kids who are vaccine damaged. I’ve worked with kids who are on the spectrum. I’ve worked with kids who have different immune anomalies basically. There are no contraindications. Many people use essential oils. Essential oils can be antidoting to homeopathic remedies, so we just do an individual training session to teach you how to balance the two out. You don’t want to do them both at the same time. You can still use them, but don’t do everything at the same time. We talk about how to fit that together. Other than that, there’s really no contraindications.

Dr. Pompa:
Wow, great. Listen, we thank you both for being on the show. This is a great show. I think you all are going to want to share this with your friends and family. It’s that type of show that you need to share this show because it’s lifechanging, lifesaving. Do your homework as always. If this whole topic of not vaccinating is new to you, please do your homework. I’m not telling you to vaccinate or not vaccinate but do your homework. Obviously, there’s some alternatives. Thank you, girls. Appreciate you being on.

Dr. Cilla Whatcott:
Thank you for having us.

Dr. Xochitl Cortez-Gonzalez:
Your welcome, pleasure.

Meredith Dykstra:
Thanks, everyone. If you want to learn more about Cilla’s work go to worldwidechoice.org. Check out realimmunity.org for the Real Immunity documentary that’ll be launching sounds like February 2018, depending on when you’re tuning into this show. Thank you, everyone. Amazing information as always. Please share this information with your friends and family. It could change lives. Thanks, everybody. Have a great weekend. We’ll see you next time, bye-bye.